Abortion is the worse kind of destruction. I wanted to post this video with Phil Keaggy, because it shows the heinousness of this wicked legal right of killing humans.
This Doctor Tiller, who was murdered, was one who killed these babies in the most shockingly evil ways. And yet, though he was a murderer, it's still not the Lord's will to murder a murderer.
Actually, I'm kind of numb, and don't know what else to say. So watch the video, and pray for our nation to repent of this evil. And pray for the Church to preach the Gospel with passion, and not forget that sinners are dead in their sins, and need Christ.
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The more I find out about abortion, the more I'm sickened by it. How anyone could call it anything but murder is beyond me.
The Lord did advocate quite a bit (at least through Moses) the murder of murderers, but you are right that He did not advocate taking the law into our own hands. “Vengeance is mine, says the Lord. I will repay." And that is exactly what I believe God has done—taken vengeance on an extraordinarily evil man (Dr. Tiller), and God did this through the sinful act of his killer (and I believe Tiller's killer is the best representative of the pro-choice movement).
And at 1.37 million abortions committed every year in the United States alone, it is indeed a holocaust -- a holocaust of bigger proportions than that of the Jews.
In a just world people like Tiller would be put on death row and executed for their crimes against humanity.
Thanks for sharing the video Don
"The Lord did advocate quite a bit (at least through Moses) the murder of murderers"
Triston,
The Lord said, "Thou shalt not murder." It's a sin. The Lord doesn't murder.
The Lord calls for capital punishment though.
So I agree, this doctor should have been tried by the governing authorities, and found guilty, and executed.
But the government right now allows for this legal kill. As do all nations. China imposes abortion on a woman.
I think Ireland may still have a law that says abortion is illegal, like it was in America before 1973.
Hey Brandon, thanks for the visit. And it's true if people would really check into the real "blood and guts" of abortion, then I believe there would be more people against it.
However, people turn their heads the other way, and won't look.
They say, "I don't believe in scare tactics."
I just can wach the video and I am a nurse! It also sickens me! How anyone could not call it murder is beyond my thought process. When I was younger in nursing I had to make a choice about helping with abortions- I said absolutely not, I dont know of a reason to have an abortion. If ya cant handle/take care of the child there are so many folk who want a child!
"Whatever you do, do all to the glory of God" ICor 10-31-I doubt abortion would ever glorify God!
It seems like semantics to me, Don; I don't think we actually disagree. Don't call it murder, but what do you call it when a bunch of people in Israel pick up stones (because Moses hundreds of years earlier wrote down that they should do so) and start tossing the stones at a lawbreaker till he\she is dead? Seems like murder to me. An angry mom throwing rocks. But that is what the people of Israel did, lawfully, until the New Testament era.
"I said absolutely not"-mommanator
God bless you sister. That's a good testimony and confession, and pleasing to our Lord.
"..tossing the stones at a lawbreaker"
Key word: lawbreaker. Capital punishment was commanded by God, or as the Bible says, "a life for a life".
If people pick up stones and kill someone because they just decided to, then it's murder.
God's word is clear: "You shall not murder." One of the big Ten.
In fact Jesus said, "If you hate in your heart it is murder." Because the Pharisees could brag that they were not murderers, but their hate would little by little be revealed, and then be made manifest for the whole universe in three years.
The key is always wanting to show mercy, because God has shown us mercy and grace to us. But, at the same time, we should love justice. Justice is a life for a life.
Justice and mercy fit together, though they may seem not to.
I am inclined to think that the difference between murder and lawful killing is important. Otherwise, we would have serious contradictions in the Old Testament. Don't kill, but kill those guys. Murder is the unlawful or unjustified taking of a human life.
It is sometimes argued that abortion is not murder, but God's law supercedes the evil that my country allows. If rape was legalized, would it be okay? Of course not.
Don, I did not watch the video. I can't bear to see these atrocities any more, but I'm glad there is good media with which to educate those who are uninformed.
"Don, I did not watch the video"
I understand completely Craver.
Thanks for your wisdom as well.
This is my struggle on the abortion issue (I honestly used to put it out of my mind until I saw my son born). My problem is that if any of us saw a mother picking up an opject and start beating her infant, hitting and hitting it until it was dead, we all would step in and stop it. We would be sinning if we did nothing. So why is it any different with the abortion issue? Because it is legal killing?
As Craver just said "It is sometimes argued that abortion is not murder, but God's law supercedes the evil that my country allows."
Right! That makes me think we're not doing enough. Perhaps force, not just words are necessary. But surely the force of words should be expressed. That is the least that can be done.
"Perhaps force, not just words are necessary."
What kind of force? Blow up a clinic? Are you talking about things like this Triston?
I'm against that kind of thing.
The Apostles had the same murderous things in their day, and even worse, and they were on fire and preached the Gospel, which is the true power of God, or the real force.
God is sovereign, and He will not be mocked.
However, if someone said to me, "I'm going to go blow up that Planned Parenthood building. I think God wants me to do something more than just words."
I'd say, "Well, don't tell me about it, just do it. Because I'm not for destroying others property, and I don't feel like doing 10 years in jail. But if you think it's God, that's between you and God. The Lord tells me to be a child of peace and to live and preach the Gospel of Christ. And I can speak the truth in love and grace about abortion. I have written to many people, and even papers about this heinous sin. That's what do. And God will be my judge."
In America we have liberty to protest abortion in many ways, and millions of Christians do. It just so happens that 40 some per cent, I think 44%, of Americans are pro-abotion. It's a nation that is becoming very Pagan.
If you try to speak out agianst abortion in China, then you're gone. And they force abortion on women.
God will judge all these nations in His time. China, America, and every nation on this earth.
Triston, I agree that there are many Christians who are too easy going about abortion, especially in the EMC crowd.
I try to speak the truth in love to everyone about this Holocaust. I'm very passionate about abortion. But I set that aside for the Gospel. The Gospel is first. First and foremost. And I know you agree.
Have a blessed wekend brother. And say hey to Jaya and Mary. And kiss Sammy for me. And also say Hi to Jivan and Anita for me, if you see them.
All for the Cross Gal. 6:14.
"What kind of force? Blow up a clinic? Are you talking about things like this Triston?"
No. Of course not. I mean standing in the way of abortion doctors entering their offices. Making their lives miserable. I'm not talking about killing or even injuring people.
And I guess what I mean by "the force of words" is to say exactly what it is. All I ever hear anymore is about compassion for the person considering abortion and trying to gentle talk them out of it. That sort of thing. But that doesn't seem to be working very well.
I feel like we need to just say to everyone that it is murder. And if a woman has done it, we should not hesitate in saying “you have paid to have your own flesh-and-blood baby murdered.”
I believe it is a mistake to candy-coat it as most Christians do. That approach to abortion is little different than the seeker-sensitive church approach at taking the word "sin" out of their sermons so they don't offend anyone and try and make people feel better about themselves.
But I certainly agree with you that the Gospel is number one, and I still believe that. I've been saying it for years, even specifically about the abortion issue, that I won't let something of lesser importance like abortion become my focus in life or ministry because the Gospel is most important of all. And I still believe the Gospel is most important, but I also regret that I've done nothing to speak out against these evil crimes against babies. I guess I want to make up for lost time because I've done nothing.
"And I still believe the Gospel is most important, but I also regret that I've done nothing to speak out against these evil crimes against babies. I guess I want to make up for lost time because I've done nothing."
That's good. But be careful. I have rubbed shoulders with pro-lifers who are very proud. And I understand to a point, because of the sin that abortion is.
But we need to be bold with humility.
God is in control. In fact, abortion may be part of His judgment upon America, Israel, and Europe, for turning away from Christ, or making Christ equal with all other gods. So God turns us over to paganism.
Just thinking out loud brother.
I have written two articles to the Catonsville Times about abortion. Even speaking frankly how Obama is a supporter of infanticide. These articles were printed, and yet I always try to share the Lord as well.
I don't know if any one is listening, but I simply speak out, and leave it up to the sovereign Lord. His mighty hand is able to to heal a nation, or judge it.
His will be done. Amen.
"God is in control. In fact, abortion may be part of His judgment upon America, Israel, and Europe, for turning away from Christ, or making Christ equal with all other gods. So God turns us over to paganism."
Amen! Honestly, I don't know if there is any other way to make sense of it. Since God is the one who ultimately decides how much time we get to live, I have to believe in some way it is His will to take those unborn babies' lives. But the only way that makes any sense to me is if it is a judgment on our nation and the world.
That's neat you've written letters in the Catonsivlle Times. You've done a ton more than me.
Thank you for visiting my blog. I have just put up a new post which I trust will interst you.
Maalie.
I have just read some of your other contributors I would just like to point out that the medical research that is being done to benefit humanity through the relief of suffering is based on the acquisition of undifferentiated "stem cells". Most of these are obtained from the umbilical cords of new-born babies. In some cases it is necessary to collect embryos when they have undergone only two or three cell divisions and remain undifferentiated. Nobody in this world is going to persuade me that blastocyst representing 4, 8 or 16 undifferentiated cells can be regarded as a "baby" or that the doctors who are doing this for the relief of suffering are Nazis. I have no more to say on this subject.
Thanks for stopping by Maalie.
The stem cell of embryos is an ethical issue for sure. I have read that there are fine doctors who are against because of the immoral implications.
I'm not as tuned in to it as I should be, and so will have to do some research I'm afraid.
But I shall when i have time, and I will post my thoughts on it soon.
Thanks for sharing that information, Maalie. Certainly obtaining stem cells from umbilical cords of new-born babies is not a problem. That's the kind of science I can support.
Hey Don,
Here is an excellent, and recent, interview with Mike Huckabee about abortion. He gives a very good pro-life defense. I thought you'd enjoy it.
Blessings,
Triston
Thanks Triston. That was good. Jon Stewart surprised me as well. We should pray for him to come to Christ.
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