Monday, February 07, 2011

"Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land until the ninth hour. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice,...."

"...saying, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
-Matthew 27:45-46

Our Savior drank the cup His Father gave Him. A cup He asked the Father to remove. It was a full cup, which included the wrath of God against the sin of the world. It was full of spiritual suffering, and excruciating physical pain as well. No other man could endure this calling. Only the Son of God. The Father forsook His Son. Jesus cried these holy words, and they were full of pain, and love.

Jesus, as the Man, the sinless Man, and the spotless Lamb, was forsaken. As God, which He was the eternal Son, He was always within the Triune Person-hood of God.

As the spotless Lamb, when He bore the sin of the world, Jesus did drink a cup that He need not have drank, but did for His Father, and for us He was forsaken.

Here are two quotes from JC Ryle & David Brown:

“There is a deep mystery in these words,…They were meant to show how truly and literally He was our substitute, was made sin, and a curse for us, and endured God’s righteous anger against a world’s sin in His own person. At that awful moment, the iniquity of us all was laid upon Him to the uttermost. It pleased the Lord to bruise Him, and put Him to grief. (Isaiah liii. 10.) He bore our sins. He carried our transgressions. Heavy must have been that burden, real and literal must have been our Lord’s substitution for us, when he, the eternal Son of God, could speak of Himself as for a time “forsaken.”
Let the expression sink down deep into our hearts, and not be forgotten. We can have no stronger proof of the sinfulness of sin, or of the vicarious nature of Christ’s sufferings, than His cry, “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?” It is a cry that should stir us up to hate sin, and encourage us to trust in Christ.”-JC Ryle

“Father" was the cry in the first prayer which He uttered on the Cross: for matters had not then come to their worst; “Father” was the cry of His last prayer; for matters had then past their worst. But at this crisis of His sufferings “Father” does not issue from His lips, for the light of a Father’s countenance was then mysteriously eclipsed. He falls back, however, on a title expressive of His official relation, which, though more distant in itself, yet when grasped in pure and naked faith, was mighty in its claims, and rich in psalmodic associations–”My God.” And what deep earnestness is conveyed by the redoubling of this title! But as for the cry itself it will never be fully comprehended.” -David Brown


Paul G said...

Good, but not good enough.
How many gods?
It sounds like many of them.

donsands said...

Just One Paul, according to the Holy Writ.

"For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life."-Jesus, God the Son (John 5:22-24)

I honor Jesus the Son exactly the same as I honor God the Father, no difference. If I don't then I don't know Him, nor the Father.

Paul G said...

Thanks Don;
You said, "Just One Paul".
Then please tell me which One?
Not which TWO but which ONE?

Don; I fully understand all those passages you have quoted, it has been given to me by the Lord Jesus to understand.

The term you have used "God the Son" is nowhere in the Scripture because it would be impossible say that, since it denotes two persons or identities. This is a Catholic Antichrist term.

If you would honour only the Son then you would have honored the Father, since Jesus is the Father if you would believe the Scripture and I know that you do believe but not understand.

If you honour the Son exactly the same as you honour the Father then you honour TWO identities or persons. (Unthinkable)!

No Don; you can't cook two persons into one God, it just doesn’t work.
To everyone who is of sound mind it is clear that you do not believe that the Lord Jesus is the only ONE person or identity who is the Lord God the Almighty came in the flesh.
Lots of love

donsands said...

"If you honour the Son exactly the same as you honour the Father then you honour TWO identities or persons."

Actually there is the Holy Spirit as well.

And I know you know this Paul.

I believe in a Triune God, because it is clear by Holy Scripture.

"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who are elect exiles of the dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood:
May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!"-Peter, his first letter

"For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For when He [Jesus] received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,”we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with Him [Jesus] on the holy mountain." Pewter, his second letter.

Peter speaks of two persons very clear in these passages.

Peter writes of how he was with Jesus during His transfiguration, and he heard a voice from heaven, the Father speaking of His Son, Jesus the Messiah.

In fact Peter says "God the Father".

"..the relation of Father and Son is clear because of the message spoken by the voice." -Simon J. Kistemaker

There's a great mystery to our God and Creator, and it is that he is One God, and yet he is three persons. This is the truth.

If you read John 17, you can not avoid this truth, and the same for so many Holy Bible passages.

Thanks for stopping by Paul.

Paul G said...

You said; "Actually there is the Holy Spirit as well".

You now have a third person who is also a God. Why stop with three persons, when you can add on another person the holy Mother of God and then you end up with four persons in one God. After all Mary was the Mother of Jesus and Jesus is the Lord God the Almighty.:-)

Don; why is it that you can't see that the Father is the Lord Jesus (John 10:30+14:7), and why is it that you can't see and believe that the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit, just as the Scripture said ("Now the Lord is the Spirit" 2 Cor.3:17).

Yes, God is the Father and beside Him there is NO other person or identity who is also God or a God (1 Cor.8:6).
The Father is the person of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is the person of the Lord Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 3:17).
God the Father is the Holy Spirit (John 4:24) who indwells the body of the Lord Jesus (John 14:10), (Jesus Emanuel= God with us).

You said; "There's a great mystery to our God and Creator, and it is that he is One God, and yet he is Three persons. This is the truth".

Don, as a brother in Christ I can assure you that is NOT the truth.
That is a lie, coming from the Father of all lies Satan through the Catholic Church of Rome.

There is NO great mystery to those who are in Christ Jesus our Lord, since that mystery, namely Christ has been revealed or made known to us (Col.2:2+4:3), and we preach it boldly and without restraint and so should you.
Kind regards

donsands said...

"You now have a third person who is also [a] God. Why stop with three persons,.."

The Holy Spirit is God according to the Bible.
The reason I stop at three is because of Scripture.

Scripture is loud and clear.

Stephen saw Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
Jesus standing. At the right hand of God the Father.

John the baptist saw the Holy Spirit descend on Jesus, as He heard the Father's voice.

Three Persons.

Sorry Paul, but you are wrong. I shall ask my pastor about this as well.

Paul G said...

Yes Don, the Scripture is loud and clear.

A man of God like you must be taught of God and not by a man like your pastor or me (Isa.54:13), only by Jesus.

Stephen saw Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
John the Baptist saw the Holy Spirit descending.
Jesus, the Son of God.
Jesus, the Lamb of God.
Etc. etc.
John the Baptist said, 'Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world'.
Does that make Jesus to be an animal?

No Don! All those Scriptures are called 'metaphors' or 'likenesses'.

Jesus is nobody's Son, He is the Lord God the Almighty the Creator of heaven and earth the Alpha and Omega the first and the last the beginning and the end and before Him there was no God formed and neither shall there be one after Him (Jesus) (Isa.43:10.)

Again those are all 'metaphors'; Jesus is NOT a lamb and neither is He a lion of the tribe of Judah.

The Scripture is spiritually discerned or understood by the Holy Spirit which has made His abode in you.
And any man without the Spirit does not belong to Jesus (Rom.8:9).

Don; if you preach any other person or identities next to Jesus, then you preach another Jesus, another Spirit and another Gospel (2 Cor.11:4+Gal. 1:6-8).

Again, ask the Lord Jesus and NOT your pastor, what kind of a pastor is he if he has not corrected you in all those years.
Jesus alone is the good pastor (shepherd) and He will lead you into all the truth (John 14:26), anything He will do if you ask Him in His Name (John 14:13).
He Himself is the truth (John 14:6) and anything He says is true.
Lots of brotherly love

donsands said...

"Jesus is nobody's Son,"

Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his SON, whom he appointed the heir of all things,......

For to which of the angels did God ever say,

“You are my SON,
today I have begotten you”?

Or again,

“I will be to him a father,
and he shall be to me a SON”?

And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says,

“Let all God's angels worship him.”

Of the angels he says,

“He makes his angels winds,
and his ministers a flame of fire.”

But of the SON he says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, YOUR God, has anointed YOU
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”"

The Scriptures surely do speak clear. They overrule any of our teachings, don't they.

You say Jesus is no Son. The Bible says He is the Son of God.

The Holy Spirit surely witnesses with my spirit that Jesus is the Son of God.

Born of a Virgin. Jesus prayed to His Father.

You need to go and study all the passages where Jesus talks about His Father. It may take you a long while, but it will open your mind and heart to see the truth, for it is absolutely and utterly clear.

Thanks for stopping by again Paul.